In rececent on going scenario of 6th pay commission Every body is talking of anomolies in the Officers Pay specially in the case of Lt Colonels and their equivalent ranks.No body is bothered about the pay of Jawans in defence forces. In Defence not only officers are working, actually defence is running by its jawans (PBOR), now officers are talking in media about their themselves. that they do like this thing and that thing and they have number of problems. have any body in media knows about the life of a defence officers actual in the defence. they are working like a king and their jawans like a slaves. And media is also very irresponsible towards the problems of jawans. they never shows any thing about the jawans about their living standars, their family problems, how they are survivig with pay start in pay scale of Rs. 3300 (Approx). Earler their is more than 3 times difference in jawans and officers pay scale. and 6th pay commission has done a job which puts jawans further behin to officers. Not only officers are retiring voluntarly, you take the records of jawans who are leaving service withing 15-17 yrs. 6th pay commission has to think about the lower ranks also. so that jawans can also think that govt. is also looking towards them.

i dont agree to u joginder .according to u officers r kings but what about their counterparts in civil life.Dont u think they deserve some respect to clear the toughest interview in the country.according to me,yes.they deserve.Its not true that only jawans works and officers wont work.Then what is ur opinion about the recent world military games held in hyderabad.Who organised it..a jawan or officer.Ur comparision is really irrelevant.In every system officer organisers and subordinates do..defense is just an example.Let me remind you one thing..the whole system is also spoiled because of chamachagiri among jawans and regionalism..also..anyways. JAI HIND

NOW AT PRESENT THEY ARE SUPRESSING THE JAWANS BY KEEPING THEM 24 HRS BUSY IN CUTTING THE GRASS AND NOT ALLOWING THEM TO EVEN THINK WHAT IS GOING IN DEFENCE. NWA DAYS CUTTING GRASS IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN DOING THE JOB FOR WHICH YOU WERE RECRUITED. THIS HAS CROSS THE LIMITS IN THE AIR FORCE WHERE THE MORAL OF PERSONNEL IS VERY DOWN

i agree with your comment. You for got about chunna and geru tell the young officer about that also. In security point of view also white wash can be seen from the sky very easily why the mindless officers are always want to white wash the army areas with that i dont know. Fed up with their discipline tell them that it is very easy to bomb the living areas if they kept on "chunna geruing" the unit. And our young officer did not tell the fact about their parties being organised at excersie areas (War practices). Enjoing the excercises with wives partying. Very bad officers????. Do you people know upto which extent your igos hurts the jawans. Why you people not sent a jawan to leave without an interview. Why it not applicable to you people. Any special orders for your people. And the ration being consumed by you people, dont say its your authorisation i know the quarter master gives your wives kilos of bread and butter. Your dogs also wants a jeep and a helper to go for hospital is it authorise for it. You know you people never bother to detail a vehicle for jawans wives to go for hospital or shopping. But your wives needs a vehicle always to enjoy?????????. he he he soooooo pity

Yes Iam also accept the abouve message

P sekaran

mr deepak nair...the bloody officers,,black britishers...sudhar jao...very soon u will learn a lesson..u r creating the situation of 1857 again...

I totally agree with Joginder,the condition of jawans in defence forces is pathetic ,this is becoz of policies which are totally made and arranged to suit the officers and no jawans advice or welfare is taken account.Every year lots many PBOR are leaving service,which has created a vaccum in jawans ranks but that is not highlighted they will high light that therre are shortage of officers.Jawans are the backbone of defence services &they must be well treated & given due recognition that deserseve.

I am hearing a lot about Officers being Kings and Jawans being slaves. Pl get yourself informed about some basic statistics like what percentage of officers have died in active operations since independence viz the serving officers and then compare it with that of Jawans and you will have your answer. For those who are too ignorant to find it out, let me tell you that they are equal and is so in only one Army in the world. I wonder if Kings and Slaves share such statistics anywhere in your record. Not undermining the exceptional troops we have in our Army, let me apprise you guys that if we have some thing to we feel really proud of in our Army that is our Young Officers, who take pride in leading from front and face bullets before letting their Jawans face them and thats is why the comparable ratios. But who cares?

I agree with your point, especially the last point you put in. The young officers in Army deserves the hike , comparison, parity whatever you call for. Apart from that especially the technical, admin and Lgs branch officers in IAF does not need any increase, their job is just to sign the leave applications. Only the officer job in IAF is flying pilots. because PBOR is not permitted for that. Even that is evident in their attitude. The attitudianl difference of a pilot and other branches phenominal. The flying branch take PBOR with them as colleagues rather other brach officers have BOSS attitude

CENT PERCENT TRUE

sabash, you are 100% right.tell deepak nair there is not only one event in defence which you ( officers ) can do independently without pbor . i can prove it .it is my chellange to you d. nair . you peoplesare totally depends upon pbors . even your houses can not run without pbor .

The pay commision has given a good deal to the PBOR in the Armed Forces. The average educational qualification of a recruit is 12th std pass(In most of the cases it is 10th pass only). Can you think of any other employer who would pay a starting pay of about 12000/- gross to a 12th std pass and also take care of his food, housing, clothing, medical as also give him 2 months of leave (not to mention 30 days of casual leave)?? Besides if it was so bad then why is there no shortage of PBOR in the Armed Forces? All those who feel that they are as good or better than officers should unhesitatingly apply for and get a commision through the ACC, PC(SL) or any of the number of avenues available for an OR to get an officer commision.

mr. x you r nobody to blame the guts of the army people. its not for their educational qulification for wat they are paid, it is the risk they involve instead....and its too shameful to hear from the civilians that why shud the armed forces b paid more?its they who are awake the whole night so that people lik u can sleep!!!!get into their shoes and then u'll realise wat a hell these army people get through.... and if u really think that they are over paid then why not even u join the army(if u can) and earn by just sitting on the frontiers(according to u)

the person who dosent know even to spelt defence after leaving NDA a TODDLER basicaly in defense with 12th std qualification take home as a salary of thrice than his Instructer in the same NDA who is a PBOR having put up 20 YEARS of hard Service in defense and in turn the same PBOR may be MSC, MBA, PHD,BE,MFIL , lot many Examples SO u toddler u got these service because of ur father in service basically u need ur fathers help to survive ur life so u have no reasons to talk in these publi forum............

Hi Anonymous,from your name itself it is seen that you are not behaving like an Officer or a relative of an Officer.Except the doctors and engineers how many officers have more than Plus two dear.IAS and IPS are the cream of India mostly graduated from IITs/IIMs and are with brain.How many officers can do fighting without soldiers. How many of them can receive a message and even draft a letter.They can only do correction and is getting a biiiig salary.Pls don't let the IAS/IPS down by comparing yourself with them.Most of them just pass the NDA exam and with the recommendation of their father who will be a serving officer they become officers.Let us have a SSB with civilians who interview the IAS/IPS candidates and see where the hell will be

because nobody correctly knows the responsibilities of a soldier during peace as well as war. WHEN MOST OF THE CIVILIANS SLEEP , THE SOLDIERS ARE FACING BULLETS .NO one simply bothers for them. THEY SACRIFICE THEIR YOUTH FOR THE MOTHERLAND.

DEAR HOW MANY IAS/IPS LEAD FROM THE FRONT OR FACE ENEMY BULLET OR COMMAND A PLATOON IN THEIR JUNIOR LEVEL. THEY CAN COME TO COMMAND A SECTOR (BRIGADE) AND ABOVE. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO HANDLE A WEAPON IN CRISIS.THEY ARE AFRAID TO GET POSTED IN HARD FIELD AND ALWAYS TRY BUTTERING TO THEIR RESPECTIVE POLITICAL BOSSES TO AVOID NE STATES, J&K AND EVEN MARRIED TO OTER STATES CADRE LADY OFFICER'S FOR THEIR CADRE CHANGE FROM NE STATES AND J7K

What good deal? In 6 CPC why didn't think about clks cat, why 6 CPC forgot the cat. IA wants 12th std with eng/math/accts or relevent subjects to enrol a clk & 10th std for a GD/tdn. Why they didn't put in X gp. I think clk cat serve like a back bone of IA.

OH god forgive this toddler for his behaviour to cuirse PBOR as he dosnt know because of his father and grand father he is in service selected as an officer having a basic qualification of 12 std for NDA and if u want me to explain studies in NDA ha ha ha ha ha .......... if u still consider u are a graduate then i cant help it out Dear toddler, civil service exams cant be passed if your father in service so pray to god what ever he has given u as a salary only to attend parties at the cost of tax payers and only to take completion reports of all the jobs which u are suppose to do doo from pbors.... shame to discuss all thes in public forums .

ha ha ha....i shud even laugh on u????????dear if u think that after 12th and NDA , a guy is not suitable to b an army officer,,,,then wat u think....a person after doing his phd(with full knowledge) shud join NDA and then shud b joined as an army officer at the age of 30??????will it not effect the activeness of the officer????v r talking abt youth participation in every field....and u r talking about persons with more than 30yrs. of age as the initial army officers...who r more lazy....reluctant...and inactive....

just dont point against the rules of the indian army!!! however or watever is the format with the army is???i and the world suppose it to be amongst the worlds best armed force!!!

This is always highlited by the officers in the forces that PBORs are getting more than enough relating to their average entry lavel qualification such as matric or 10+2. I want to know what is the entry lavel qualification for officer who joins NDA. It is obviously 10+2 not more than that, same officer becomes the chief later on. The point is now a days are very much highlited by the officrs and media that there is an acute shortege of officers in the defence forces but fact is that there is no shortege at all, rahter they are more in number than ever before, they are grabing the promotin opporunities of Pbors and increasing their strength so that they can work in shifts comfortably. This idea of their is actully working successfully, they got ther promotion fast and nunber of vacancies increased(AVC Pt-i,ii), each unit has now many technical officers whose job is to keep chasing PBORs without actully getting involve in the job. My point is that once someone says that Rs12000/- gross is more in case of PBOR, than why an officer with same entry level qual. is never satsfied with what he is getting.In my view it is more and more than enough for him. It is rediculous that they always compare themselve with IAS/IPS the India's top allied services, why don't they all become IAS? and enjoiy that service, nobody stops them to go and join civil services avenues are available to all, but most of them know that it is very dfficult. On the other hand they are not concern about parity and vis- a-vis equivalence of personnel below them.

The main resons for all these thing are as under-

a. There is no representation of PBOR to put their points at any lavel, it is their commanders, what they say is only treated correct.

b. Like some other intitution defence is also treated as a holy cow, on the name of national security people and media have little access to reality whatever cock and bull story is told to media, media keeps harping it.

c.Lastly, the mentality to rise to hights without caring for those below them(PBORs). They should understand if they have little courtesy to uplift person below them their own status and glory will automatically reach to new heights.

As large number of pbors are leaving the services, and it is pojected that due to enabilties to cope up with latest tech they leave, this can be said in case of officers also. Fact remains unchanged,people leave the service due to frusration,harrasment,lack of respect and lack of promotion avennues,recruiting psycologist is also a drive to create new vacancies in officer cadre, the situation is not going to change any way, a few minutes councelling can't change the mind of a frustrated soldier. There is wide need for officers to change their mindset towards PBORs.

Dear friend, u r far away from the reality of our army culture and traditions. ur para just shows ur orgasm of personal hatered against Indian Army. Dear friend, nowadays, every indian is afraid of high crime rates,theft and rapists. but hope they feel secure from our neighbouring countries, who r ready to destroy this nation. I hope this can give u, and people like a fair idea that who is more efficient in his work- Armed forces or IPS/IAS. Regadind the welfare of PBOR, it is only in def, that any PBOR is ready to give his life or take some one else life who ever degrades his country, his unit or his senior. where else a PBOR of Police sits and takes money from crimals to allow them to do crime..... HOPE U CAN WAKE UP.... FROM UR OWN WORLD

My dear anonymous friend while challenging officer cadre of defence forces,to become IAS or IPS, forgets that option of becoming an officer was open to him also, nobody stopped him from becoming an officer, had he had the qualities? Most of the officers are trapped by govt at an early age through sainik schools,RIMC or military schools,they never get a chance to defeat the so called IAS or IPS in studies.Those who become generals or even those who dont study much more than any IAS or IPS....and are anyday more honest, more concerned for nation and better officers,so for officer like qualities defence officers never stoop down for a comparison with anybody, if anybody thinks so its his big misunderstanding. To clear the doubts of ignorent people, though our jawans are best in the world, but in last all wars fought by us after independence,for each 10 jawans an officer has died,as per authorisation and deficiency of officers he should die for a strength of 150 jawans. This shows officers have never lagged behind in our ultimate sacrifice towards the nation ,which should be our only task. Such ideas as of my anonymous friend are anti-national which want to hamper the harmony of armed forces.MAJ R P SINGH

i m impressed by your writting major!!!!and i truly support your view....thanks for giving such brave answer to such irrational people!!!!!!!!

probably my anonymous friend who doesnt dare to put his name on the blog is far ...far removed from reality that he speaks in such tones. one can only say that god forgive them father for he knows not what he speaks. Maj MMA Hyderi musheerhyderi@rediffmail.com

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By a VIth pay commission, a disparity has been created.

Hey musheer bhai musharaf math bano jobe biksha milrahahe usko chup chap lekhe pade raho jadha uchalneka nahee kuch acha karke jao tha kee thumara bachha be fauj mehee dalegaa hey na kyun ki baahar job milneko competete karna hey leykin thume tho KARNA NAHEE AATHA HA HA HA HA............

Shameful, communal and unnecessary comment. Shows the mentality of the commenter, who is likely an uneducated, and unemployed moron.

Strength of our nation stands on the feet of our courageous Jawans, who constitute almost 90% of the total defence forces. But who represents those 90% PBORs ? Who cares for their welfare and shares their agony ? Who voices their sentiments ? They are now neglected lot in the society and stand between two stools and virtually become street beggars because of the irony of State Govt. as well as Union Govt. It is uniform for distant viewers, but difference persists in indifference, when looked at close proximity. This is what have been observed and has been come into light in the face of various pay commission reports. Since no one represents men in uniform, they have been neglected again and again. Their hardships have not been taken into account. As a matter of testimony, the Scale of Pay of officers has been hiked more than 35% since different Pay Commission Reports. However, the Pay Scale of men has been confined to 30% only. Apart from that, officers have been paid with lucrative rank pay, which carry DA and is counted towards fixation of pension, whereas PBOR holds thankless/payless rank. Similarly PBORs get clothe and money in lieu of ration contrary to officers who are provided with ration and money in lieu of clothe. PBOR is authorized to maryy a spinster, unlike officer who is authorized to marry virgin. Why so discrimination in uniform ? Who voices for the millions of men in uniform ? Airmen are the real technocrats, who maintain Aircrafts, equipments and documents, whereas officers are the assigning authority, who enjoy on wheeling chair. Thanks to Parliamentarian of our nation, who finally rose to the occasion to lift Batmanship in Army after 61 years of independence. Britishers’ have left our country, but they have left the germs of slavery in Armed Forces, which need to be brought into light

100% TRUE, ONLY THING THAT THEY HAVE PUT THEIR STEEP TOWARDS SERVE FOR NATION IN VERY YOUNG AGE OF 19 , SO THEY HAVE NOT BUILT THEIR CAREER IN POLITICAL LINE OR AMOUNG THIS JAWAN GROUP ONE OR TWO WILL BECOME OUR PM, JAWANS HAVE NOT THEIR VOTE BANK, IF SO DIFINITLY , GOVT WILL CONSIDERED " ONE RANK oNE PAY" GOVT WILL TAKE CARE FOR 'JAWANS" - BY (SEP EX-ARMY)

100% true.I Pray to god that this massage go to our politician and also our officer who wrongly accepting king.

get article written, who ever has done it, My salute to Him.

1) As per VI CPC declaration 40% hike is given in pension. which is not correct it is actually 21 to 22 %. for e.g. Old Basic Pension (without DP) = 2000 DP 50% = 1000 DA as on 01.01.2006 (24 % on Bp + DP) = 720 Total = 3720

New Basic Pension = 2000 + 40% = 2800+1000+720

= 4520 Net total amt of increase in Pension as on 01.01.2006 = 4520 - 3720 = 800 Net % increase in pension as on 01.01.2006 = 21.51%

which is in justice 40% increase should be on total pension as on 01.01.2006 i.e. Basic Pension + DP + DR/DA

2) as per GOI, Letter No. F.No. 38/37/08-P&PW(A) dated 01.09.2008, Para 4.2 pension fixed as per above calculutaion should not be less than 50% of Min (r) Min of Pay Band + Grade Pay of the person. HERE I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHAT ABOUT OF THE LENGTH OF SERVICE A PERSON HAS PUT UP.

3) Suggestion: Pension of the persons retired before 01.01.2006 should be equal to pension of a person who is in service as on 01.01.2006 and retireing after 01.01.2006 and not 50% of lowest of Pay Band + Grade pay.

Thanks Rajeev Behal 93571 72728 E-mail: crownbehal@yahoo.co.in

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we were eagerly waiting for the revised defence pension,it is really disappointed us.At present is merely 28% increase only against 40% that they promised or their propaganda.what is is the hitch in implementing one rank one pension?All brass tops, other high officials and all judges/justices are enjoying this. any reason to deny it for men category in defence. Lack of fund? Those who have retired before 1986 Jan. were looted by the government extracting 33% from salary** when he is on active service. in lue of free ration, uniform, railway ticket and accommodation.50%DA was also cut for availing canteen facility where as that was benefited to upper ranks. It means nothing was given to us as free. At present (after 1986)govt. broadly can say they are giving free above listed facilities. Those looted fund is well enough to give such a small demand to satisfy those victimized defence personnel otherwise it will be a great cheat done by the Govt.Another cruelty was they never bothered to restore the basic salary while calculating the pension. No country will do such a nasty steps who is knowing the value of a defence personnel . Expecting the justice **The salary when compared with equal rank in civilian employees**

SIR,

I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM YOU INDIA IS NEVER IMPROVE IN FUTURE DUE TO BAD WORKS OF POLITICIANS, CIVIL AND DEFENCE OFFICERS AND THEY WISHES TI TAKE MAXIMUM BENEFITS FROM GOVERNMENT BY ELABERATING THEIR DUTIES AND DOWNSIZING THE DUTIES OF PBORS. THESE OFFICERS ARE NOT GETTING ANY TIME TO PUT UP THE REAL FACTORS OF PBORS FACING AT DEFENCE FORCES AS WELL AS IN THE CASES OF CIVIL SIDE THE JUNIOR RANKSARE FACING ACCUTE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO PULL ON THEIR FAMILIES AT PRESENT COSLY SITUATION AT OUTSIDE BUT THESE BASTERED POLITICIANS AND OFFICERS ARE SUFFICIENT TIME TO ATTEND FARE WELL PARTIES WITH THEIR LADIES ASWELL AS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE FUNCTION AS AN WHEN THEY REUIRED. IT IS NOT FINANCIAL PROBLEMS TO INDIA BUT THE BETTER PAYMENT TO JUNIORS AT CIVIL SIDE AND PBORS AT DEFENCE FORCES IS REALLY PROBLEMS FOR THESE BASTEREDS DUE TO PAUCITY OF FUNDS. I ASHAMED OFF MY COUNTRY ANDI THOUGHT WHEN INDIA WILL GO UP. ACCORDING TO MY FORECAST THAT ONE DAY ALL WILL GO AGAINST THE OFFICERS AND THEN THES BASTEREDS WIL LEARN GOOD LESSON.

ANOTHER REAL FACT IS THAT THE BASTERED POLITICIANS, CIVIL AND DEFENCE FORCES OFFICERS ARE NOT LIKING TO SUBMIT THE REAL PROBLEMS OF JUNIORS AS WELL AS PBORS TO CONCERNEDHIGHER AUTHORITIES TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE.

THANKING YOU,

SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR(IN)

till date macp has been not implemented for PBOR in defence

o my god - i am really surprised by certain comments - regardless you are in favour or against let me tell you what you saying - both of you know nothing - i tell some experience of mine - i was education havildar with an infantry battalion - on august 15 1965 enemy attacked us we suffered many casualities - brigadier died -major died - many soldiers died - wounded - taken prisoners - but indian army accused reprimated an innocent lt colonel prem sing for many escaped from casalities - the dead were burnt at chinab river at akhnoor bridge and declared deserted to avoid bad name - our job is war not to sit in peace. those who have no war experience of the army can bark like ugly dogs.

Every body is talking of anomolies in the pay Officers specially in the case of Lt Colonels and their equivalent ranks.No body is bothered about the pay of seargents whose pay scale was Rs 5000-150-6500 in the last CPC. Whereas in the present CPC their Pay is recommended in the pay band of Rs 5200-20200 which is just Rs 200 more that their earlier pay. The civilians and even civilian employees of defence forces are put in the pay band Rs 9300.30700. why this disparity. This is required to be rectified

This is exactly true. A Sergeant of the Air force has been equated to a PEON/LDC/Lascar/NC(E)(for that matter equivalent ranks in the Navy and the Army also). To achieve this rank one has to put up at least 10 to 13 years of service.During my time I was promoted to Sergeant after 13 years of service. I retired after 20 yrs with no further promotion though I had passed the next promotion examination in the first chance itself,.There is nobdy to look into the pproblems of PBORs. Everthing is LIP SERVICE only.WHAT HHAPPENED TO OROP ANNOUNCED BY THE GOVT ?

u r very right sergeant but it is very sad that media only highlight officers and forget about pbors very sad india very sad media should highlight pbors problem and released the reallity fact open may god bless all pbors

the whole world is furious about only concern of defence officers.the pay commision has completely negleted JCOs and Naval artificers while fixing military service pay and techenical allowence.when a graduate engineer is paid rs.4000 as techenical allowence only Rs.200 is paid to a diploma engineer in armed force who join service as jco.Who is there in this country to look in to this disparity.

hey dedh dont raise ur voice otherwise u may have to be removed from sevice saab moniter kartha hey

As concern of defence officer, the pay commision has negleted the PBOR.officer has taken their case with govt but no one think about PBOR.As per VI pay commision a Primary School Teacher will get eqvilent to jco.he will be staying near to his home.

Can any so called responsible person explain why nowadays PBORs are not interested in continuing their service?

dear sir i have read comments against selection system of defence forces officers/PBOR.The individual who has commented,it sems that he has no knowledge of defence forces selection proceedure. I am a civilian,I know many defence officers/PBOR-they are very honest persons,very brave and ready to die for nation for any type of threat.We must be proud of them. If one does not know any thing about their loyalty to the nation,their selection proceedure,the individual has no business to comment againt their selection/recruitment proceedure.Their comments on defence forces may be avided.

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the media is furious about only concren of defence officer.The pay commision has negleted the personal below officer rank.A Primary School Teachers are placed above JCO in defence.Any body is there in this to look in this disparity

wah , you have done a grate job of gready officers of defence by proving that you are the personels those are only qualified . iplease watch in your pockets , what are you doing in offices except adjusting the govt grants for your own benifits and pressing the pbors not open the mouth about your karname. kab tak logo se sach chhupaoge , ak naak din tum sab nagge ho jaoge tab tumhara kya ho ga pbors ke dushmano. agar abhe bhi kusnh sharam hai to sab ke bare socho desh ke bare soch .agar saboot chahehe to bolo ham dete ha tumhari kartutoke jai jawan jin ke sir par mera bharat mahan.

theek ka diya

i feel there is no one to look into the service condition and grievances of pbor.one becomes subedar major in the army either on account of outstanding performance and/or higher educational qualification.on becoming sub maj one has to leave the service completing the maximum term of the rank 4/5 years irrespective to age, length of service ,medical catogory etc.i am a diploma holder in engg joined directly as jco(nb sub)and got discharged from service as sub maj on completion of 4 years in that rank with a total service of only 20 years and 8 months at a premature age of retirement of 42years.

as a subedar major i was appointed to perform the duties of a commissioned/gazetted officer for the entire span of 4 years not providing any benefits.i am still unable to know the authority/govt order under which a jco can be appointed to perform the duties of an officer .

to add i got only a reduced pension for no fault of mine.in army the sub majs normally come from rank and file can serve upto the age of 50/52 years and the equivalent ranks of navy and airforce upto 55years. is it a crime to join the army with technical qualification as pbor. can anyone please look into this.

i m saying in basic laguage n fogi lauage bcoz m also a sepahi in arty ,,(officer madarchod apne hi bare main sochte hain ,,bahn chod ,,kabhi jawano ke bare main bhi soch liya karo tum sale bahan ke lode tumahri maa ki chut bhosri ke kisi officer ke jawano ki pay ke bare main koi comment kiya ,,saloin jab tak sipahi tab tak tum offeser ho ,,salo kabhi sipahi ke bare main socho ,,nahi to asiea hi maroge jiase kargil main 1/2 jawano hi thok dala

Why should all the other retires army personnels suffeer from not getting pension scale as per 6th pay commission on account of objection from some of the army officers.

Gents,

have red almost all comments from officers, JCOs and ORs, its really tough to understand why each one of blaming others, you must understand rich values and traditions of indian defence, and exactly what we are all serving and ex service folks are following,

indiam defence services provided a carrier path to all whether he /she is officer or not, the tough diecipline make man perfect and what exactly you learn it with your 15 to 18 years of service,

and most important is to be proud defence person,,should not hasistate to say that,,

the rich tradition and value of defence is proper chanel of command, take it positively and follow it perfectly, you will be successful inlife,

officers has their roll to play and soldeirs as well, both categories are very important in the chain,

so stop blaming and start cleaning the deck without complaining about your salary, galley food, and crew cut,

cheers

dan

really i saw all blog but now i must confess three things ground duty officers except technical sign only leave applications and conduct parade and act like station warrant officers in discipline/ but for pilots , i really worship them., when they do orp sitting on a commode without proper ventilation awating the red alert call . BUT ONE CORPORAL GOT THROUGH IAS DURING 1975 THE FRONT PAGE OF A NATIONAL DAILY EXPRESSED'' FROM IAF TO IAS' BUT i have not come across any commissioned officer gtg through IAS. for all other matters I must confess that i should have been at least a Air marshal now if my father was at least a wing commander during 1974 i just failed for SSb they asked is ur father an officer / my reply was no.. so still i gained myself after ejcting with some years of service and enjoying the uniteedd arab emirates culture and dhirmas valuevis-vis INR

i must confess that the friend of mine who is so unconcerned about the duties of any IAF offr, whether he is a pilot or not, is really having a tough time ventillating his frustrations of being so unsuccessful in life. gentleman , there is no doubt left in my mind that you were so unfit to become an officer not only in the armed forces but whereever you went that you were not able to digest the fact that a SSB rejected you outrightly. get some medical advice o your mental trauma and dont you ever undermine the authority of an individual who is signing your leave certificate just because you were crying in front of him for weeks exposing your inablity to cope up with the exigencies of sevice. get well soon, dear!!!

u know to sign even or your father has to doooooo for ur doooooooooings ha ha ha ha................

A very sad blog. it started with the pay commission and and has gone to the dogs. I am ashamed to say that i served in the forces. i was a pilot but now surely i would not want to fly a fighter which is serviced by such 'comrades in a(l)rms'

Shame on us

I am Ex Sergeant, discharged from IAF on my own request in 1998. Presently, I am working for Nationalised Bank which has presence of 1000 branches speared accross the India. I am working in Middle Management Cadre. I experienced both service conditions and regulations. I feel,the orders or service conditions and regulations framed by Britishers requires to be scraped and suitable service conditions suiting to the indian soldiers to be framed whcih are having more value to humanity and self respect of the individual.I hope this might address the both egos of Officers and PBORs.